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@ Nokia : Ok bro .. I will count your word that you're gonna answer my previous Qs after answering your Qs ...
I don't know if Islam is the fastest growing religion , I highly doubt that claim but if that is 50% true then probably because of many muslim men are into polygamy . If a man has 7 wives & each wife has 8 children then a single muslim man will have 56 children .. Imagine that !! :)
I dont believe that most women today as you claimed are converting into Islam . If there are then, it could be , they are bound to marry a muslim ..
I dont have misconception about Islam, those were my observations based from muslim practices .
I would appreciate your POV in giving me insights by answering my Qs as it has more weight rather than suggesting me links ...
Ok bro, your turn :) ..
I don't know if Islam is the fastest growing religion , I highly doubt that claim but if that is 50% true then probably because of many muslim men are into polygamy . If a man has 7 wives & each wife has 8 children then a single muslim man will have 56 children .. Imagine that !! :)
I dont believe that most women today as you claimed are converting into Islam . If there are then, it could be , they are bound to marry a muslim ..
I dont have misconception about Islam, those were my observations based from muslim practices .
I would appreciate your POV in giving me insights by answering my Qs as it has more weight rather than suggesting me links ...
Ok bro, your turn :) ..
@Rainbowbutterfly1: @Rainbowbutterfly1: Dear!!! Ignorancel is no excuse! Your claim or my claim doesn't matter the thing which is more acceptable and which have more weight is "EVIDENCE" that y I have provided you a non-Muslim link which clearly stated that more than 5000 britions converts to Islam every year and more of them are women and which accepted Islam by their own choice. If you agree or disagree it's your personal matter I can't say any thing about that. But it is fact that today Islam is the fastest growing religion and most of them came with their choice because islam clearly said that their is no compulsion in religion. So what your going to tell me that these British females converts to Islam not by their own will but by some one else!!! Amazing...
British women are more independent Like any other developed countries.
The link which I have given to you as a proof and which is not an islamic or pakistani site but one of a renown and independent media of UK. Still you doubt it, Then how would you accept my simple answers????!
Their are so many other non Muslim sites which clearly admit that Islam is today the fastest growing religion,like CNN and world gunnies of records! Etc And *if u don't mind, I can provide Their links as well :)
The things you observed from some body practice don't make any sense because individual personal acts are not religion. The things you says are totally out of context! Eg you said about polygamy.
So, The Qur’an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase ‘marry only one’. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the other religious scriptures,*The context of this phrase is the following verse from Surah Nisa of the Glorious Qur’an:
“Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one.” [Al-Qur’an 4:3]
Before the Qur’an was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygyny and many men had scores of wives, some even hundreds. Islam put an upper limit of 4 wives (not 7 as u mentioned) Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, ONLY on the condition that he deals justly with them.In the same chapter i.e. Surah Nisa verse 129 says:
“Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women….” [Al-Qur’an 4:129]
Therefore polygyny is not a rule but an exception. Many people are under the misconception that it is compulsory for a Muslim man to have more than one wife. my father marry only one women and that is with my mother only lol. *For instance, if the second marriage is likely to upset the first marriage and the family structure already established, then a second marriage should be avoided, as it undermines the very purpose of the Islamic rules of marriage.*
Similarly, all other things you have said are also out of context and again I would say if you really want to know islam than I can help you!!!
You said also about the Quran language that f you are Filipino Muslim and don't know so how can u learn it? I hav explain it but not getting my point don't know y??? It is as like as u *learn English or any modern language. you can learn Arabic from your teacher or any other Muslim who *knows Arabic, *I *my bro And my sis all learns Quran and prayer from our mother. We offer pray in Arabic and where ever you go and ask a Muslim to recite Quran or pray he will recite it an Arabic and the meanig of that would be the same it doesn't mater wethr u r a Filipino or Pakistani. It is so because Arabic is a live language not like other scriptures language which is dead no one knows it's meaning except few experts. Not the case with Arabic.*
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Hope Ans ur questions!
British women are more independent Like any other developed countries.
The link which I have given to you as a proof and which is not an islamic or pakistani site but one of a renown and independent media of UK. Still you doubt it, Then how would you accept my simple answers????!
Their are so many other non Muslim sites which clearly admit that Islam is today the fastest growing religion,like CNN and world gunnies of records! Etc And *if u don't mind, I can provide Their links as well :)
The things you observed from some body practice don't make any sense because individual personal acts are not religion. The things you says are totally out of context! Eg you said about polygamy.
So, The Qur’an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase ‘marry only one’. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the other religious scriptures,*The context of this phrase is the following verse from Surah Nisa of the Glorious Qur’an:
“Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one.” [Al-Qur’an 4:3]
Before the Qur’an was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygyny and many men had scores of wives, some even hundreds. Islam put an upper limit of 4 wives (not 7 as u mentioned) Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, ONLY on the condition that he deals justly with them.In the same chapter i.e. Surah Nisa verse 129 says:
“Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women….” [Al-Qur’an 4:129]
Therefore polygyny is not a rule but an exception. Many people are under the misconception that it is compulsory for a Muslim man to have more than one wife. my father marry only one women and that is with my mother only lol. *For instance, if the second marriage is likely to upset the first marriage and the family structure already established, then a second marriage should be avoided, as it undermines the very purpose of the Islamic rules of marriage.*
Similarly, all other things you have said are also out of context and again I would say if you really want to know islam than I can help you!!!
You said also about the Quran language that f you are Filipino Muslim and don't know so how can u learn it? I hav explain it but not getting my point don't know y??? It is as like as u *learn English or any modern language. you can learn Arabic from your teacher or any other Muslim who *knows Arabic, *I *my bro And my sis all learns Quran and prayer from our mother. We offer pray in Arabic and where ever you go and ask a Muslim to recite Quran or pray he will recite it an Arabic and the meanig of that would be the same it doesn't mater wethr u r a Filipino or Pakistani. It is so because Arabic is a live language not like other scriptures language which is dead no one knows it's meaning except few experts. Not the case with Arabic.*
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Hope Ans ur questions!
^ thank you for seemingly detailed answer yet you forget to answer 2 of my Qs bro ..
1. Why muslim men allowed to have morethan one wife while women are subject for honor killing ?
2. Why girls should/ must undergo genital mutilation ?
Edit :
Waiting for your answer
1. Why muslim men allowed to have morethan one wife while women are subject for honor killing ?
2. Why girls should/ must undergo genital mutilation ?
Edit :
Waiting for your answer
Last edited by Rainbowbutterfly1; 3-Dec-13 3:15 pm.
@Rainbowbutterfly1: Sis! You r not reading my prvious pov *and are repeating qus again and again I already give u the answer about polygamy and again u asked about that similarly, you ask about Quran language twise if you read my post with little concentration you'll INSHA ALLAH no problem what I m saying...
*pls dear! just read my pov b4 asking question. Now Ans to ur questions
Q 1 about EDUCATION
*In the words of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW):
"To seek knowledge is obligatory on every Muslim (male and female)".
"Whoever follows a way to seek knowledge, Allah will make easy for him a way to paradise."
if some one deprive women from getting knowledge so it is against the Quran and teaching of our prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h
Q2 *POLYGAMY*
I hav already Ans in my previous pov kindly read it...
Q3 HONOR KILLING*
Islam didn't allow any individual to kill his mother wife sister daughter etc for the sake of honor it is totally harm, prohibited and unIslamic.*This practice has absolutely no sanction in the Qur'an, the Prophetic practice, or in the evolved systems of Islamic law. In the case of fornication or adultery, the only way a charge can be levied against an individual, male or female is through confession, which is discouraged, or by four people actually witnessing the male organ penetrating the female. Even if four people witnessed a naked man engaged with a naked woman, but could not actually testify that they witnessed penetration, their testimony would be rejected. For instance if husband found her wife in adultry but could not find any witness he can divorce her but not the authoriy to kill her or vice versa. If some body kill some one for the sake of honor it is count as murder, and isalm clearly says that killing of any innocent person is like as to kill entire humanity and saving on person is *like as to saying entire humanity. This is very lengthy topic if u want more detail so than just ask. The anti- Islamic media present it out of context and present Islam as brutal and rigid religion against women**which is totally biased and not based on facts. I must say again that pls don't labelled *individual criminal acts with islam.
Q4 female mutilation*
“Circumcision for males is considered an important rite of initiation in Islam. It is a part of the legacy of the Prophet Ibrahim, peace and blessings be upon him, whose role model we have been ordered to follow in the Qur’an. It is, therefore, a highly significant rite in Islam, which distinguishes Muslim males from others.*
*“Female circumcision”, however, the mater is quite different. There is nothing in the sources, either the Qur’an or the Sunnah, to suggest that it is a PRESCRIBED ritual of initiation for women in Islam.*
While one finds a number of traditions from the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, which clearly indicates that he ordered pagan males who converted to undergo circumcision, it is not stated anywhere that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, ordered any woman who entered Islam to undergo this practice.*
Because there is no absolute proof from the sources of Islam prescribing female circumcision, the vast majority of scholars do not include it in the OBLIGATORY rituals of Islam.*
It is common knowledge in Islam that if the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, had wanted female circumcision to be an integral aspect of religious practice in Islam the same way that male circumcision is, he would have said so clearly. Since he did not do so, we can safely assume it is not a prescribed ritual of Islam."*
All these things *you asked were just out of context...
Hope answer you questions!
*pls dear! just read my pov b4 asking question. Now Ans to ur questions
Q 1 about EDUCATION
*In the words of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW):
"To seek knowledge is obligatory on every Muslim (male and female)".
"Whoever follows a way to seek knowledge, Allah will make easy for him a way to paradise."
if some one deprive women from getting knowledge so it is against the Quran and teaching of our prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h
Q2 *POLYGAMY*
I hav already Ans in my previous pov kindly read it...
Q3 HONOR KILLING*
Islam didn't allow any individual to kill his mother wife sister daughter etc for the sake of honor it is totally harm, prohibited and unIslamic.*This practice has absolutely no sanction in the Qur'an, the Prophetic practice, or in the evolved systems of Islamic law. In the case of fornication or adultery, the only way a charge can be levied against an individual, male or female is through confession, which is discouraged, or by four people actually witnessing the male organ penetrating the female. Even if four people witnessed a naked man engaged with a naked woman, but could not actually testify that they witnessed penetration, their testimony would be rejected. For instance if husband found her wife in adultry but could not find any witness he can divorce her but not the authoriy to kill her or vice versa. If some body kill some one for the sake of honor it is count as murder, and isalm clearly says that killing of any innocent person is like as to kill entire humanity and saving on person is *like as to saying entire humanity. This is very lengthy topic if u want more detail so than just ask. The anti- Islamic media present it out of context and present Islam as brutal and rigid religion against women**which is totally biased and not based on facts. I must say again that pls don't labelled *individual criminal acts with islam.
Q4 female mutilation*
“Circumcision for males is considered an important rite of initiation in Islam. It is a part of the legacy of the Prophet Ibrahim, peace and blessings be upon him, whose role model we have been ordered to follow in the Qur’an. It is, therefore, a highly significant rite in Islam, which distinguishes Muslim males from others.*
*“Female circumcision”, however, the mater is quite different. There is nothing in the sources, either the Qur’an or the Sunnah, to suggest that it is a PRESCRIBED ritual of initiation for women in Islam.*
While one finds a number of traditions from the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, which clearly indicates that he ordered pagan males who converted to undergo circumcision, it is not stated anywhere that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, ordered any woman who entered Islam to undergo this practice.*
Because there is no absolute proof from the sources of Islam prescribing female circumcision, the vast majority of scholars do not include it in the OBLIGATORY rituals of Islam.*
It is common knowledge in Islam that if the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, had wanted female circumcision to be an integral aspect of religious practice in Islam the same way that male circumcision is, he would have said so clearly. Since he did not do so, we can safely assume it is not a prescribed ritual of Islam."*
All these things *you asked were just out of context...
Hope answer you questions!
Lol...what a lenghty reply ! Thanks for taking your time .. and please stay calm ... This is just a discussion :)
If it isnt clearly stated in Quran, why other muslims are practicing such if all muslims follow one teaching from Quran @ women genital mutilation ?
Another thing that confuses me is if men and women are equally can have education why many muslim women are deprive of getting education ? Remember what happned to Pakistani teenage girl who had been shot because she was/is advocating education for girls .. Why it happened ?
So, there is no honor killing ? Try to read the book " SHAME " ..
If it isnt clearly stated in Quran, why other muslims are practicing such if all muslims follow one teaching from Quran @ women genital mutilation ?
Another thing that confuses me is if men and women are equally can have education why many muslim women are deprive of getting education ? Remember what happned to Pakistani teenage girl who had been shot because she was/is advocating education for girls .. Why it happened ?
So, there is no honor killing ? Try to read the book " SHAME " ..
@Rainbowbutterfly1: Sis! I m clam and happy the way you asking for me about islam,
Dear! Again you point out some of bad doing of certain community and individual acts and my answer Is the same, no islam never says us to do so.... bad Sheeps are found in every community and every socity so pls don't labelled or mixed it with Islam, if they doing bad things it doesn't mean that Islam says us doing so.*
**You says about honor killing and deprivation of education,for the third time. lol,,, it's mean that u r not reading my answers I have clearly stated that Islam strictly prohibited these acts of few ignorant people. It is haram ,unIslamic and against the teaching of Quran And Sunnah...
And i think You point out the incident of Malala Youdafzai, so every pakistani are stood behind here and appreciate her for it great cause of seeking knowledge and it the same time *we also condemned the barbaric and brutal act of cruel people.
I have read my book and explain it to you all ur misconception which is totally out if context... you say shame but I feel proud becoz if it is really a bad religion as you think than no one convert to it but still it stand no 1. Think about it....*
Hope answers your questions!
Dear! Again you point out some of bad doing of certain community and individual acts and my answer Is the same, no islam never says us to do so.... bad Sheeps are found in every community and every socity so pls don't labelled or mixed it with Islam, if they doing bad things it doesn't mean that Islam says us doing so.*
**You says about honor killing and deprivation of education,for the third time. lol,,, it's mean that u r not reading my answers I have clearly stated that Islam strictly prohibited these acts of few ignorant people. It is haram ,unIslamic and against the teaching of Quran And Sunnah...
And i think You point out the incident of Malala Youdafzai, so every pakistani are stood behind here and appreciate her for it great cause of seeking knowledge and it the same time *we also condemned the barbaric and brutal act of cruel people.
I have read my book and explain it to you all ur misconception which is totally out if context... you say shame but I feel proud becoz if it is really a bad religion as you think than no one convert to it but still it stand no 1. Think about it....*
Hope answers your questions!
@laniesofie: thanks! But don't know why she is not getting the point????:
Lol.. The title of the book is shame & not I am telling you shame. That book is full of revelations which is a taboo topics to most ..
My Qs were raised many times because you didn't answer it directly instead deviating them into proving & claiming about the spot of Islam.
Indeed there are always black sheeps in whatever groups but if majority are practicing such & in total tolerance then that could be in my IMHO a manifestation that , that certain group is not good .
However, every faith & religion must be respected , afterall...Nobody knows what will happen if our physical bodies are dead ..
My Qs were raised many times because you didn't answer it directly instead deviating them into proving & claiming about the spot of Islam.
Indeed there are always black sheeps in whatever groups but if majority are practicing such & in total tolerance then that could be in my IMHO a manifestation that , that certain group is not good .
However, every faith & religion must be respected , afterall...Nobody knows what will happen if our physical bodies are dead ..
God exists go ask a trauma doctor fr dis
cus he surely hd felt it
cus he surely hd felt it
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